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Heroes, 2x03: Kindred

This was typically the kind of TV episode that set me so strongly against getting in too deep with an OTP and/or OTC. Of course, by the time I realize it, it's oftentimes too late. I've read here and there from a couple of different people that they thought this was the best episode yet this season, and I'm like, "wait, what?" So beware, I'm afraid I might be slightly biased.

I'll just divide this up between what I liked and didn't like, trying to even out both lists. Oh, and the wtf-element, can't forget that!

+++ (i.e. on the plus side)

Sylar is back. AND HAS THE VIRUS OMG. Or so it seems. Yay! And Sylar's characterization? Awesome. I'm glad the new writer seems to be getting him right. Also, HAIR OF WIN omg. And Zach's voice = more guh!

Matt and Mohinder just make me happy. Hee, Matt was so the worried wife. It's all beauteous. Did Matt sleep in Mohinder's bed? I THINK SO. *glee*

"Or something more familiar, if that's what you're into." LOLOL, busted! Selflove ftw.

Peter trying to summon his powers, hee! The shirtlessness was also nice, though a bit mindboggling - but don't go thinking that's a complaint or anything.

Candice, despite being recast, was written consistently from last season. Very in-character dialogue, I liked that. And then she died, lolz. That scene was ftw!

Ando playing video games at work = lolz! I love Ando. "Sumimasen. *sigh* " And he misses Hiro so much, aw! <\3

Kensei's reaction to discovering his power was excellent, and I love how casual Hiro was about it. "No, look!" and he removes the arrow. LOL! Also: Kensei's reaction to Hiro leaving. D'awww! "What if I can't do it without you?" How adorable is David Anders, anyway? Overall, I think this was my favorite storyline this week.

Alejandro's determination to take care of his sister is definitely touching. I like that they don't speak any English, too. Maya having some modicum of control over her power, and when to use it, was an interesting reveal.

Isaac's loft, yay! And Mohinder's ongoing cluelessness = ♥ Also, Isaac's art? Still rocks like a rocking thing.

Teehee, "Paris, London, Japan." Hehe, callbacks to the HWT? I think so, and it made me squee.

Um, I have no thoughts about Niki having the virus. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing. Ooh! Maybe DL died from it! That would be good! *moves line from '???' list to '+++' list*

--- (i.e. on the minus side)

NO NATHAN! ;__________;

Not enough Matt.

Daniel Lawrence Hawkins - 1976 - 2007. He better not be dead too soon after being shot by Linderman, because I will go POSTAL over sloppy continuity. Also, that was a lame way to write out the character. D:

It became especially apparent this week how the show clearly overestimates its mainstream audience. If you were never a Trekkie before, as is my case, the scene where Niki brings Micah to his relatives' house? Was just an old lady opening the door. Diegetically pointless.

Claire and West. Where do I begin? *sigh*
    'kay, technicalities first: West was blatantly referring to Claire picking up her discarded toe and re-attaching it, rather than growing a new one. This is because that was the original script for Lizards. I already had a beef with the fact that they changed it over logistics issues: that it didn't seem big enough of a PLOT POINT to keep intact kind of shocks me. If they go ignoring the very recent canon entirely... I don't even know. It bugged me like hell.
    Secondly, the reveal about HRG bagging and tagging West before was sooo phoned in. Color me underwhelmed.
    Did I mention the cheese? Because, oh, my lord, the cheese. Seriously. THE MUSIC. I thought I was watching One Tree Hill for a minute there. Not a good thing.

PETER NOT OPENING THE BOX. D: D: D: I can't properly express how much that made me cringe. I saw it coming, but then I figured they wouldn't go with the cliché, alas... My hopes were dashed. Lame! I don't even mind the hookup - which kind of came out of left field, too, unless Caitlin has a hidden agenda of some sort. But not wanting to find out who he is, that just... ugh, frustrates me. Damn you, Haitian of soul-killing mind-wipery! D:

Speaking of whom, where were you this week?

As much as I loved Sylar in this episode, he seriously needs to stop TALKING TO HIMSELF. Or dead people. (Same difference.) I was laughing, for real, and not with him, if you catch my drift. Please.

I hope to gods HRG isn't one of the freakin' older generation heroes. Enough retcon; this would totally ruin the character for me. Not to mention, Company Man would become void of all meaning. It would also inherently make his natural levels of ass-kickery a lot less impressive. I'd totally change my vote to Bauer. DO NOT WANT. He don't need no special powers, I say!

??? (i.e. on the wtf side)

Why is Candice even trying to entice Sylar with sex when he's supposedly at risk of tearing stitches with the slightest movements? I can't blame her, because, heh, who wouldn't - but it's not the most sensible thing.

The blue-screen scenes in this episode were TERRIBLE. I couldn't believe it. Maui, Ronin temple... Crappy visuals all around.

I was trying to rationalize how Claire wouldn't even MENTION to West she knew other people who could fly (see: my bias) and coming up short of any valid explanation. She could easily say her biological father and uncle could do it without having to give names, so, yeah. What the hell.

The currency in Ireland isn't called the dollar, Pete. :p

I didn't mind West too much when he was telling Claire to STFU with her I'm-a-freak-zomg leitmotiv. And then that scene turned into the most cheese-o-tastic thing ever, bar none.

lol, Derek drives a Nissan Rogue. Oops, did I just pull a SPN-fandom-like name-spoilery trick?

I guess the infamous 8 missing Mendez art pieces (Mendezes?) did not all represent older generation heroes then. LEST THE REVEAL OF DOOM.

In conclusion: I wouldn't say it was outright bad from beginning to end, but that was most definitely not among my favorite episodes. The best parts (Feudal Japan, Mohinder, Sylar) don't quite manage to redeem the lackluster (Niki and Micah, Alejandro y Maya), disappointing (Peter), and cringe-worthy (Claire) parts. Well! There's always next week. Here's hoping.

And I haven't watched the preview for next week's episode, so please don't spoil. Done. Going to watch Chuck now.

Date: 2007-10-09 09:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] never-evil.livejournal.com
Matt and Mohinder just make me happy. Hee, Matt was so the worried wife. It's all beauteous. Did Matt sleep in Mohinder's bed? I THINK SO. *glee*
Hee these two make me smile :)

My most favourite scenes this episode were of David Anders. He was so awesome as Kensei ♥

Heh I absolutely adore TPTB for remembering that Mohinder has always had this sort of...naiveté about him. The bit about "lucky timing" was so cute.

the scene where Niki brings Micah to his relatives' house? Was just an old lady opening the door. Diegetically pointless.
LOL that was exactly what it was for me? Why is there something special about the door (or lady?)??

It became especially apparent this week how the show clearly overestimates its mainstream audience.
I think sometimes the directors/writers do stuff just cause they are fanboys and think it would be so cool...not bad per se - glad they are having fun XD

Errr West is an idiot. The science classes are annoying me. And that was a random/stupid question to ask. TPTB just wanted Claire & West to have a major fight so they can fly, kiss and make up but this was a lame way to go about it :/

It totally did not occur to me that having a painting of HRG means he has a power??? Likely because I was just too outraged by that painting to think any further. Remind me why we think HRG has powers now? Did they explicitly state that the paintings were of the Heroes or did they just mention it was of people who worked for the company? And BTW why the heck did Isaac not tell HRG that he had painted him dead when they were friends associates?

What I wanna know is why Claire did not think -OMG does Nathan have ANOTHER love child D:- LOLZ

When he was like "shut up Claire" I kind of melted against my wishes and then they started going all - A whole new worrrrrrrrrlllllldddddddd - on me and it got weird (read:LAME).

I can't find next week's promo ANYWHERE. Maybe this is a sign.

THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE NATHAN BEFORE I DIE OF WITHDRAWL.

Date: 2007-10-09 10:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadian-turtle.livejournal.com
I can't find next week's promo ANYWHERE. Maybe this is a sign.
*cough at the end of my reaction post *cough* :P

Date: 2007-10-09 10:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] never-evil.livejournal.com
LOLZ actually I've tried clicking it a gazillion couple of times but it keeps saying "page can't be displayed" or something o_O So then I tried Youtube but they don't have it yet. It's driving me MAD!

Date: 2007-10-09 10:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] never-evil.livejournal.com
HEY! Wow how come it worked this time? Must have been my internet acting up. *hugs* Thanks for relinking hon ♥

Date: 2007-10-09 10:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadian-turtle.livejournal.com
No problem, glad it worked. Both Canadian and American promos are up there now ;) Can't tell you which one I like best because Ade doesn't want to know about the promos and we took over her LJ o.O

Date: 2007-10-09 11:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gossy16.livejournal.com
I've seen 'em now. :x

Date: 2007-10-09 11:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadian-turtle.livejournal.com
OMG DUDE!! You are SO weak o.O And I didn't even tell you that Sylar mentions Mohinder, geesh

Date: 2007-10-09 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gossy16.livejournal.com
I was told about the Nathanage. :p But, HELLS YEAH to Sylar mentioning Momo! Hee.

Date: 2007-10-09 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gossy16.livejournal.com
Heh I absolutely adore TPTB for remembering that Mohinder has always had this sort of...naiveté about him. The bit about "lucky timing" was so cute.
I knooooooow. It is SO endearing. <333 And Matt has obviously picked up on it, and his subsequent concern for Mohinder's safety is adorable. ^^

Why is there something special about the door (or lady?)??
The lady was in the original Star Wars series for years.

I think sometimes the directors/writers do stuff just cause they are fanboys and think it would be so cool...not bad per se - glad they are having fun XD
Definitely, and I don't mind it at all when it's in scenes that have a greater purpose. Like the number plate on Kaito Nakamura's car, or Stan Lee driving the bus, things like that. But this one scene here felt like it was written for the sole purpose of showcasing the new Star Trek alum, i.e. it's completely pointless to the rest of the audience. I only hope TPTB don't make a habit of it.

Agreed 100% about West. As we say on the Heroes-France.com boards: NO WEST, NO WAY! D: Did you read Beeman's new blog yet? He even depicts that whole storyline in fangirl language. *cue vomit*

Remind me why we think HRG has powers now?
LOL, it was just speculative mathematics. Kaito said there remained 9 elders (including himself), and HRG said there were 8 never-seen Mendez paintings. Since the killer seems to be after the aforementioned group of 9 (well, 8 since the killer themselves seems to belong to that group), the general consensus was that the paintings were all of the upcoming victims from the mysterious killer, like the one of Kaito splattered on the street. I guess not.

And BTW why the heck did Isaac not tell HRG that he had painted him dead when they were friends associates?
Good point. Maybe he didn't mind for him to die, lolz. Isaac was a pretty messed-up (lovable) mofo, heh. Or maybe he thought it was moot anyways, if the bomb went off in NY.

What I wanna know is why Claire did not think -OMG does Nathan have ANOTHER love child D:
LOL, but seriously! Though, I guess, knowing she didn't inherit her power from her parents herself, she would assume they're not passed down directly from one generation to the next, but still. She doesn't know how widespread the mutation is, she should be wondering, or at least taking some time to THINK. Ah, teenagers and hormones!

When he was like "shut up Claire" I kind of melted against my wishes
Yeah, that was his one good scene so far, heh. Also largely helped by the fact that sincerely like Nick D'Agosto.

I've watched the promos now, both from Global and NBC. The NBC one is a true Nathan-fest, he's in every other clip. But knowing as misleading as they are, I'm still not betting on more than 2 different scenes, heh. Oh, and he's beardless! If he appears beardless all of a sudden without the slightest hint or explanation, I will feel so gypped.

And yes, amen to that. THE PEOPLE WANT MOAR NATHAN! Take heed, o mighty Heroes powers-that-be!

Date: 2007-10-09 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] never-evil.livejournal.com
I knooooooow. It is SO endearing. <333 And Matt has obviously picked up on it, and his subsequent concern for Mohinder's safety is adorable. ^^
Yeah, I love it when we can say that one character 'gets' another, you know like how Peter knows Nathan going against his father is going to hurt him and the same way Matt knows Mohinder enough to know the whole spying thing isn't something he should be getting into. I do wonder though if they will at least explain about Matt's baby...

He even depicts that whole storyline in fangirl language. *cue vomit*
When I read the "Claire has a boyfriend now YAY" I was like W.T.F o_O;;

Since the killer seems to be after the aforementioned group of 9 (well, 8 since the killer themselves seems to belong to that group), the general consensus was that the paintings were all of the upcoming victims from the mysterious killer, like the one of Kaito splattered on the street. I guess not.
Since you said you saw the promos in one of them they say something about someone is killing the old heroes so we are back to square one. Is HRG or is he not a hero hmmm he better not be

Good point. Maybe he didn't mind for him to die, lolz. Isaac was a pretty messed-up (lovable) mofo, heh. Or maybe he thought it was moot anyways, if the bomb went off in NY.
Fair enough. XD

AHHH I was practically bouncing up and down on seeing Nathan without a beard and being all detectivey. I can honestly say that my hopes have totally gone up plz don't disappoint me Heroes! Hmm no there has got to be a reason behind the shaving. You do not make us suffer through that nest of hair and not give an explaination for its going away. Plus Nathan is in a team of his own! So YAY.

Date: 2007-10-09 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gossy16.livejournal.com
I do wonder though if they will at least explain about Matt's baby...
I hope they do, too. Might depend on how long a time the volume (or season, for that matter) spans over. If it's only a bunch of weeks like Volume 1, the baby might not be born for a few more seasons, heh.

When I read the "Claire has a boyfriend now YAY" I was like W.T.F o_O;;
I know, right? Pfeh, I say. PFEH.

Since you said you saw the promos in one of them they say something about someone is killing the old heroes so we are back to square one.
The real question is, has Isaac painted all of this specific killer's victims, or are those paintings more or less random?

TEAM NATHAN FTW! Always. *cheers*

Date: 2007-10-10 09:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] never-evil.livejournal.com
Oh true that...I am so bad at keeping track of time.

PFFFFFFFFFFFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Hmm I think it will complicate stuff too much if the paintings are not of murder victims no? But then again that could be it - the painting doesn't have to be about just the heroes dying, it can be clues to his identity etc - like a story which does NOT end with my HRG dead kplzthx

Damn right. *takes out redundant Vote Petrelli banners*

Date: 2007-10-14 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 12-12-12.livejournal.com
What I wanna know is why Claire did not think -OMG does Nathan have ANOTHER love child D:- LOLZ

Yeah. If I were Claire, I would not be all, "You can fly! Yay!" I would be, "We need to check up on your family tree. NOW." xD

Date: 2007-10-09 10:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] totallybalanced.livejournal.com
Few people on my flist have been a bit 'meh' about this ep. In all honesty I'm just looking forward to seeing Sylar again *wishes my work day was over already*

Date: 2007-10-09 11:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gossy16.livejournal.com
Yeah? I'm glad it's not just me, then. But what are you doing reading reviews when you haven't seen it yet? :p

Hopefully the Sylar will not disappoint. :D

Date: 2007-10-09 11:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] totallybalanced.livejournal.com
Im reading because..

a) when i FINALLY get to see it I would have to go back a million posts to read everyones reviews and by then the squee dies down a little

b) im really bored

c) im painfully bored

Date: 2007-10-09 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gossy16.livejournal.com
Yeah, I understand. As long as it doesn't ruin the episode, more power to you. :D

Date: 2007-10-09 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadian-turtle.livejournal.com
HAIR OF WIN omg. And Zach's voice = more guh!
Hell yeah. ON first watch I just stared blankly at my screen, second watch I stared blankly at his hair, thirs watch I stared blankly at his arm muscles, fourth watch I swooned over his voice xD

Did Matt sleep in Mohinder's bed? I THINK SO. *glee*
OMG! My mind! It went straight into that gutter again.

Isaac's loft, yay!
I am surprised you didn't mention this to be a BSW set :P

Teehee, "Paris, London, Japan." Hehe, callbacks to the HWT? I think so, and it made me squee.
I thought so too!!!

Daniel Lawrence Hawkins - 1976 - 2007.
No way Matt coul've survived all those bullets to the chest and D.L. would've died from one. So this was a subtly way to tell alert viewers something happened later on that killed D.L. ;) We'll find out.

PETER NOT OPENING THE BOX. D: D: D:
So annoyed with this. Someone started to compare Peter to Jack Sheppard and I agree. Which is not a good thing.

As much as I loved Sylar in this episode, he seriously needs to stop TALKING TO HIMSELF. Or dead people. (Same difference.)
I liek it, it is yet another thing to show how disturbed his mind works.

Have fun with Chuck \o/

Date: 2007-10-09 10:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] never-evil.livejournal.com
ehh why is Peter like Jack? I don't get it... I am being extraordinarily slow tonight

Date: 2007-10-09 10:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadian-turtle.livejournal.com
Starting to get really annoying.

Date: 2007-10-09 10:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] never-evil.livejournal.com
Ah and suddenly I am enlightened.

Date: 2007-10-09 10:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadian-turtle.livejournal.com
Serious? Because I can elaborate more later ;)

Date: 2007-10-09 11:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gossy16.livejournal.com
LOL, I bet you can already recite all of Sylar's lines from this episode by heart, y/n?

OMG! My mind! It went straight into that gutter again.
Well, to be fair here, there really isn't anywhere ELSE for it to go when it comes to Matt/Mohinder. >:D

I am surprised you didn't mention this to be a BSW set :P
I wouldn't want to be redundant, as I haven't put the polls up yet. ;D

So this was a subtly way to tell alert viewers something happened later on that killed D.L. ;) We'll find out.
*crosses fingers* I hope you're right.

So annoyed with this. Someone started to compare Peter to Jack Sheppard and I agree.
LOL BUT I LOVE JACK. Erm, I mean, yes, it was infinitely frustrating. And I do think people are being harsh on Peter. It's not his fault he's being written that way. XD

it is yet another thing to show how disturbed his mind works
Well, that's the thing, a little subtlety would be appreciated. I'm a big fan of the "show, don't tell" principle as far as television is concerned; and here basically they have this TREMENDOUS actor just reading lines out of the script. No, really. You can practically see the pages in his hands. Waste of talent. It is very woeful to me. D:

Still haven't watched Chuck because I'm still trying to get that commentary working, LOL.

Date: 2007-10-09 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aelora.livejournal.com
I'm so glad I'm not the only one less than thrilled with this episode. I'm surprised at those who loved it so much - I mean, I get it. Sylar tends to blind us to most things. But if you actually sit down and go through the ep piece by piece... it's filled with a lot of crap!

I swear, this is turning into Season Two Lost!

Date: 2007-10-09 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gossy16.livejournal.com
Oh, lord, please don't let it turn into S2 Lost. >_

Date: 2007-10-09 12:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 12-12-12.livejournal.com
PETER NOT OPENING THE BOX. D: D: D: I can't properly express how much that made me cringe. I saw it coming, but then I figured they wouldn't go with the cliché, alas... My hopes were dashed. Lame! I don't even mind the hookup - which kind of came out of left field, too, unless Caitlin has a hidden agenda of some sort. But not wanting to find out who he is, that just... ugh, frustrates me. Damn you, Haitian of soul-killing mind-wipery! D:

Don't get me wrong, I wanted him to open the box, too. Not least because I'm so damn curious to know what's inside it. But...I can understand why he didn't. I mean, if I woke up with amnesia, found out that I was some sort of mutant freak who could shoot lightning out of my hands, use TK, could heal from any wound, and had just unleashed my inner Vader and almost killed someone, I'd be pretty scared about finding out who I was, too. I've done the same thing with e-mails and letters that I was afraid contained bad news--just let them sit there without opening them. Heh.

Teehee, "Paris, London, Japan." Hehe, callbacks to the HWT? I think so, and it made me squee.

Oh, I didn't even get that! Watching Sylar freak out over not being able to use his powers was pretty damn cool.

Date: 2007-10-09 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gossy16.livejournal.com
Well, that's just the thing, isn't it? We're able to rationalize his decision because of the logic he puts forth at the end, but I'm having trouble reconciling that logic with his old eagerness to understand more about those abilities of his. And by old, I really mean consistent, starting from the first episodes, seeking Mohinder's enlightenment, then his training with Claude, and even in this episode - trying to figure out how it all works. I'll wrap my head around it eventually, it just might take me a few more days. ;)

Date: 2007-10-09 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 12-12-12.livejournal.com
I actually didn't have a problem with the contrast between S1 Peter trying to figure out his abilities, and this Peter, for two main reasons: firstly because the abilities he manifested first in S1 (weird dreams, flying) were pretty innocuous, whereas right now he's pretty much getting off on almost committing murder. So it's not so much that he's afraid of the abilities, but afraid of what he might have done with them in the past that he can't remember--and that's not a fear he would have had in Season 1.

And secondly because in the first season, his attempts to figure out what he could do were always linked to his attempts to share this with someone. Primarily Nathan, but also Mohinder and Claire and even Claude. He knew who he was, what kind of a person he was, and he knew that his family and friends would be there for him. Right now, it's quite likely that if he opens that box and finds out that he used to be an assassin or a murderer or whatever, he'd lose whatever sense of self he has, as well as his new friends--and I don't think Peter wants to deal with that. I remember Milo saying in an interview that Peter now sees people looking at him with fear in their eyes, and that hurts and scares him more than anything else, because it's not who he wants to be.

Date: 2007-10-09 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marcal-92.livejournal.com
If you were never a Trekkie before, as is my case, the scene where Niki brings Micah to his relatives' house? Was just an old lady opening the door.

Not a Trekkie, but kind of good with the familiar face of Star Trek. (Nimoy, Shatner, Takei, Nichols...) But my brain completely farted when she came on screen lol I was like 'Why do I know her?' Then completely randomly this morning, I was like 'That was Nichelle Nichols, silly':)

Greens

Date: 2007-10-09 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gossy16.livejournal.com
LOL, well that's what I mean, more or less. She looked at least vaguely familiar to you, but to the clueless among us, I don't know that her face evoked anything in particular. Thus, the scene loses its sole interest.

Date: 2007-10-09 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nobodysomeday.livejournal.com
It was just so cheesy. So much of it. And I don't quite get Alejandro and Maya. And...well...I don't really like Sylar. *ducks*

Date: 2007-10-10 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gossy16.livejournal.com
I sort of immediately took a liking to Alejandro and Maya in the first episode, but their scenes were dangerously close to Sluggish Territory this week.

That's quite all right, we can't all appreciate a serial-killing brain-manipulating self-obsessed nutjob. ;)

Date: 2007-10-09 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chrryblssmninja.livejournal.com
Sylar is back. AND HAS THE VIRUS OMG. Or so it seems.
yeah...no one else on my flist had thought of that, and then I was just thinking about it today...

ooh, he's going to need Mohinder's blood as the cure

Selflove ftw
ha

Candice, despite being recast, was written consistently from last season. Very in-character dialogue, I liked that. And then she died, lolz. That scene was ftw!
indeed. Props to the actress, too, for keeping the character consistent as well.

Secondly, the reveal about HRG bagging and tagging West before was sooo phoned in
yeah. And that was the best thing about the Claire/West scenes. agggh Claire stop attracting creepy stalkers

As much as I loved Sylar in this episode, he seriously needs to stop TALKING TO HIMSELF.
yes.

I don't think HRG is killed because he's an Elder...I think, since one of them is probably doing it, he takes that dude/dudette's place. And if it's Claude, then Claude would go last for the guy that tried to kill him. The drama.

I think Candice was going to do a tempt-trick thing, but Sylar beat her to it. Ha! Interesting how they had two normal kisses after Sylar's almost-kiss...kill! thing.

The blue-screen scenes in this episode were TERRIBLE.
SO TRUE.

how Claire wouldn't even MENTION to West she knew other people who could fly
yeah

The currency in Ireland isn't called the dollar, Pete.
hee

A lot of interesting events were going on in this ep, which is why I'm surprised that I'm so underwhelmed overall. You pointed out a lot of the things wrong...I noticed that it was done by a writer and director I don't think I've seen in the credits before. I'm a Maya y Alejandro supporter but I still think their scenes were among the many here that could have been rewritten or simply tightened up or shot better.

BUT YAY SYLAR BACK...ON LOST ISLAND! HAHA! SYLAR V. SMOKE MONSTER!

Date: 2007-10-10 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gossy16.livejournal.com
ooh, he's going to need Mohinder's blood as the cure
♥♥♥ The prospect of emo angst make me so happy. You have no idea.

I don't think HRG is killed because he's an Elder...I think, since one of them is probably doing it, he takes that dude/dudette's place.
There are 8 paintings for (supposedly) 8 victims - Nakamura counted nine members of the group before he was killed. So I don't know how HRG fits in, I just hope this one painting doesn't come true. GET NEW GLASSES, NOAH!

Interesting how they had two normal kisses after Sylar's almost-kiss...kill! thing.
Hee, yes. I kind of hope they actually expand on Sylar's love live and lack thereof at some point down the road. The timing would be terrible right now, with so many other romantic arcs going on at once, but I think it could be quite interesting to see how he regards matters of the heart.

ITA with your summation. J.J. Philbin is a new writer, this was her first episode. Hopefully she'll continue to distill her strong characterization and improve her skills at pace and such as she gets better-acquainted with what works and what doesn't so much.

Date: 2007-10-10 03:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nitro26.livejournal.com
Meh. I've seen better of Heroes. You're right, it wasn't outright bad, but it could've been better with a few tweaks here and there.

Candice, despite being recast, was written consistently from last season. Very in-character dialogue, I liked that. And then she died, lolz. That scene was ftw!

Oh, what a tragedy. Never liked her anyway.

Isaac's loft, yay! And Mohinder's ongoing cluelessness = ♥ Also, Isaac's art? Still rocks like a rocking thing.

Mohinder is awesome, clueless or not. =) I like how, even though Isaac is dead, they still, in a way, kept his character alive with those paintings.

Claire and West. Where do I begin? *sigh*

West was horribly mean in the beginning of the episode, especially in class. Whatever, I love him anyway. =P I actually was okay with everything until the flying part. CORNINESS. And, like you also said, the blue-screen was awful.

PETER NOT OPENING THE BOX. D: D: D:

He should've opened it! Darn, I want him to go back to his family. I hope his powers go out of control and he kills Caitlyn with them. XD

I hope to gods HRG isn't one of the freakin' older generation heroes.

I hope so, too. He's cooler without powers.

I was trying to rationalize how Claire wouldn't even MENTION to West she knew other people who could fly (see: my bias) and coming up short of any valid explanation. She could easily say her biological father and uncle could do it without having to give names, so, yeah. What the hell.

Yeah, that definitely occurred to me, too. Maybe she doesn't want to talk about Nathan and Peter...or maybe she'll mention it in the next episode. *hopes*


OMG. The ending of the episode was SO unexpected. HRG can't DIE! He's probably the coolest character on the show! Who do you think that guy is with Claire in the background? I thought it was Nathan at first, either comforting her or trying to pull her away. But on got-heroes.com, most people are saying it's West that's kissing her. But why the hell would she be kissing someone if her Dad just died? I hope it's Nathan, I miss the Claire and Nathan interactions...

Date: 2007-10-10 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gossy16.livejournal.com
I like how, even though Isaac is dead, they still, in a way, kept his character alive with those paintings.
Yeah, that is pretty wondersome! :D

Darn, I want him to go back to his family. I hope his powers go out of control and he kills Caitlyn with them. XD
LMAO, that would be fantastic. I strongly support this idea.

Maybe she doesn't want to talk about Nathan and Peter...or maybe she'll mention it in the next episode. *hopes*
It probably is the latter, yeah. Which is slightly unnerving, but eh... what are ya gonna do? *sigh*

I knooooooooow, HRG is not allowed to die ever. And it's quite freaky, actually, I had the exact same thoughts you did upon first viewing. I've watched the episode more time since, and I can definitely see what people are saying re: the dark figure being West, but yeah, that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, as far as we can tell for the time being, anyway.

And, seriously. Bio-father/daughter interaction pls! Nao! I am rather discontent with the amount of it we've got so far. :(

Date: 2007-10-11 12:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cybeleadam.livejournal.com
Comme tu vois, je regarde encore sans attendre la recap. J'ai simplement décidé d'utiliser des écouteurs de walkman pour pouvoir mettre le son plus fort sans qu'on entende à travers la porte (à 2h du matin, ce serait pas génial) et, tout de suite, y a moins de trucs qui m'échappent ! ^^)

Did Matt sleep in Mohinder's bed? I THINK SO. *glee*
Très possible... Et maintenant qu'ils sont là tous les deux, ils font quoi ? lol (Bon, d'accord, il doit y avoir un canapé.)

1976, ça me perturbe (comme pour Jessica, d'ailleurs). Parce que c'est mon année de naissance. Et je ne peux pas arriver à me mettre dans la tête que des gens de mon âge ont des enfants.

But not wanting to find out who he is, that just... ugh, frustrates me.
Tout à fait. C'est agaçant.

I was trying to rationalize how Claire wouldn't even MENTION to West she knew other people who could fly (see: my bias) and coming up short of any valid explanation.
Ça aussi - agaçant. A part que ce serait vexant de dire "Oh, ça ne m'impressionne pas: mon père et mon oncle peuvent voler, eux aussi !", je ne vois pas non plus ce qui l'empêche d'en parler.

If you were never a Trekkie before, as is my case, the scene where Niki brings Micah to his relatives' house? Was just an old lady opening the door.
Pareil pour les gens qui ne connaissent la série d'origine qu'en version livres. (Bon, d'accord, ça c'est que moi. lol) La seule que je connaisse aussi en version télé, c'est la "next generation".

Date: 2007-10-20 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gossy16.livejournal.com
(Bon, d'accord, il doit y avoir un canapé.)
Mais tchuuuuut, euh! :p Mohinder va pas releguer Matt au canapé alors que le pauvre sort d'une rude convalescence. XD

Date: 2007-10-20 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cybeleadam.livejournal.com
Non, mais il pourrait lui laisser sa chambre et prendre le canapé. Sauf que, bien évidemment, ce n'est pas non plus l'idée que je préfère... D'ailleurs, ce qui m'amuse le plus dans cette histoire, c'est qu'il suffirait qu'une idée "déplacée" traverse l'esprit de Mohinder, et Matt pourrait le savoir. lol

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