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HEROES POST! What?
Yes. Welcome new friends, btw! :D I've ~decided~ that even though I'm pretty sure I know the exact outcome of the one story I'm ~invested in~ still, I want to watch this season. Will I never learn, you ask? Probably not. So I'm definitely going to need support (lolol I'm so dramatic) and I'm very thankful for you guys.
I got a whole bunch of (my) DVDs in the mail today, including Heroes S3. First thing I watched: all of the deleted scenes back to back. It was great because there's a lot of excellent stuff in there, and it was a little upsetting because so much of it was all good and relevant. My thoughts, let me show you them.
Firstly, I couldn't help but notice some trends: most of the deleted material was about Mohinder, Nathan, Tracy, and Matt. And Molly appeared outside of "I Am Become Death"! Hardly anything pertaining to Sylar (one extended scene from IABD) or Peter (see Sylar + an alternate scene from "Into Asylum"). I don't mean to imply whoever's in charge of final cuts is playing favorites here, but... Yeah, that's exactly what I'm implying. :-#
Secondly, if you were wondering where all the good writing had gone? There's a big chunk of your answer there: the cutting room floor. It's baffling, really. Of course there's a couple pointless bits - Mohinder lifting heavy stuff, Claire receiving a box, Angela waking up - and then there's honest-to-gods awesome character moments and entire plot points that I could never imagine in a billion years not keeping in my show.
Not to forget the absurd (and now absurdly traditional) lack of outtakes from the finale, which is sad and begs the question: are they ashamed of something?
The latter is obviously personal preference, and doesn't impede on my appreciation of the aired episodes, but the first two points, IMO, shockingly showcase how frequently decent writing suffers at the hand of ~time constraints~ on this show (which I suspect is really code for "LOL WHO CARES ABOUT THESE GUYS ANYWAY"). Specific examples? You bet:
There are more. I'm not suggesting all of this should, or even could, have been kept in, but I certainly feel like we could have used some of this wasted character development and nice surprising subplots in lieu of an umpteenth cutesy Sylar/Elle electrokinesis 'n' doe-eyes scene and other pointless/retconny/both preposterous stunts (take your pick).
In conclusion, as the next season nears, these extras both gave me hope that the writers actually are still capable of putting in some more-than-average work, and worried that their best efforts are unrecognized (at best) or plainly disregarded by higher-ups. I say: somebody needs to get their head out of the sand, stat! But hey, no matter what ends up on our screens, I'll be watching (against my better judgment, heh) and hoping until the end that this is the year they somehow bring Awesome back. Have a great season, y'all! :)
And now, a fanvid! I started this back in May, after the finale, whilst I was very much in the throes of mourning. I figured I should finish it before S4 rolled around, so there it is. I'm quite pleased with some parts, but on the whole it was a rush job done over the weekend and I'm an oversensitive n00b. Translation: I probably wouldn't take harsh criticism very gracefully, so... yeah. Rather be wimpy than vexed! :D Anyhow.
Yes. Welcome new friends, btw! :D I've ~decided~ that even though I'm pretty sure I know the exact outcome of the one story I'm ~invested in~ still, I want to watch this season. Will I never learn, you ask? Probably not. So I'm definitely going to need support (lolol I'm so dramatic) and I'm very thankful for you guys.
I got a whole bunch of (my) DVDs in the mail today, including Heroes S3. First thing I watched: all of the deleted scenes back to back. It was great because there's a lot of excellent stuff in there, and it was a little upsetting because so much of it was all good and relevant. My thoughts, let me show you them.
Firstly, I couldn't help but notice some trends: most of the deleted material was about Mohinder, Nathan, Tracy, and Matt. And Molly appeared outside of "I Am Become Death"! Hardly anything pertaining to Sylar (one extended scene from IABD) or Peter (see Sylar + an alternate scene from "Into Asylum"). I don't mean to imply whoever's in charge of final cuts is playing favorites here, but... Yeah, that's exactly what I'm implying. :-#
Secondly, if you were wondering where all the good writing had gone? There's a big chunk of your answer there: the cutting room floor. It's baffling, really. Of course there's a couple pointless bits - Mohinder lifting heavy stuff, Claire receiving a box, Angela waking up - and then there's honest-to-gods awesome character moments and entire plot points that I could never imagine in a billion years not keeping in my show.
Not to forget the absurd (and now absurdly traditional) lack of outtakes from the finale, which is sad and begs the question: are they ashamed of something?
The latter is obviously personal preference, and doesn't impede on my appreciation of the aired episodes, but the first two points, IMO, shockingly showcase how frequently decent writing suffers at the hand of ~time constraints~ on this show (which I suspect is really code for "LOL WHO CARES ABOUT THESE GUYS ANYWAY"). Specific examples? You bet:
- Knox's "Villains" storyline: I find it nothing short of bewildering that it was cut out completely. That script was probably all Jamie Hector could hope for when he joined the show, and then they go and kindly erase it from existence. (Stay classy, Heroes.) Not only did the story provide a somewhat interesting character background for Knox - which is infinitely better than, you know, nothing; it also fit with Matt's established characterization circa season one perfectly.
- Nathan & Tracy: granted, romance never was the heart of this show, nor do I think it should ever be. I don't even ship these two. However, with a line here and a touch there and a 30-second scene, would you imagine what was perchance achieved? *gasp* A non-obnoxious, believable caring bond! I know. It was kind of amazing to witness, because the feeling that perspired was so wholly different from what made it to air last year. So much so, I'd have without a doubt assumed those scenes were cut for creative reasons, if it weren't for the fact they were spread out over several different episodes. Ergo, face meet palm. The most interesting thing here is it showcased Nathan and especially Tracy, as individuals, in a very different light - for instance her allegiances are a lot clearer after an outtake from "Our Father" - and both somehow become more sympathetic as a result.
- This might be me finding excuses for my boy (Selective Dedication: it's not just for show execs! :D) but it seems to me Nathan's ~change of heart~ at the end of Vol. 3 becomes a lot more nuanced and consistent in light of another outtake from "Our Father."
- Mohinder also got shafted in a pretty big way, believe it or not. I'm not saying any cut scenes made his Vol. 3 arc any less ridiculous, because no amount of justifying that nonsense will do. In fact, his Vol. 3 cut scenes are just as ridiculous, though this one bit where he's ~prepping~ Nathan and Tracy for ~operation~ extolls on his motivations in a much more seamless manner than some canon scenes have. And for justice, because I remember there being talk of a scene where Mohinder turns Molly in to Arthur, it wasn't like that at all. Not even a little bit. And then there's a specific scene from "Turn And Face The Strange," in Vol. 4, that was at least three(!) kinds of interesting(!):
- there is actual (and you want to sit down for this) TIMELINE CLARIFICATION(!!!)
- Mohinder shows a perseverance seemingly impervious to homeward flouncing, and
- a new lulzy Chandra-centric ship is born!
- there is actual (and you want to sit down for this) TIMELINE CLARIFICATION(!!!)
Come on now, why would they cut that? Don't they remember Vol. 1 at all? ;)
There are more. I'm not suggesting all of this should, or even could, have been kept in, but I certainly feel like we could have used some of this wasted character development and nice surprising subplots in lieu of an umpteenth cutesy Sylar/Elle electrokinesis 'n' doe-eyes scene and other pointless/retconny/both preposterous stunts (take your pick).
In conclusion, as the next season nears, these extras both gave me hope that the writers actually are still capable of putting in some more-than-average work, and worried that their best efforts are unrecognized (at best) or plainly disregarded by higher-ups. I say: somebody needs to get their head out of the sand, stat! But hey, no matter what ends up on our screens, I'll be watching (against my better judgment, heh) and hoping until the end that this is the year they somehow bring Awesome back. Have a great season, y'all! :)
And now, a fanvid! I started this back in May, after the finale, whilst I was very much in the throes of mourning. I figured I should finish it before S4 rolled around, so there it is. I'm quite pleased with some parts, but on the whole it was a rush job done over the weekend and I'm an oversensitive n00b. Translation: I probably wouldn't take harsh criticism very gracefully, so... yeah. Rather be wimpy than vexed! :D Anyhow.
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Date: 2009-09-15 01:08 am (UTC)Stopped watching Heroes at the beginning of season 3 but it looks like I still enjoy my Claire/Nathan moments :)
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Date: 2009-09-15 10:47 am (UTC)Ugh, I enjoyed their moments so much. FUTK.
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Date: 2009-09-15 02:11 am (UTC)Why am I not surprised none of the Sylar stuff was cut? *sigh*
Oooh, I liked your video! Really nicely put together and I love that relationship. :)
Plus, I had somehow forgotten quite how very attractive the Pasdar is until I watched it! Bring on Season 4! /shallow
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Date: 2009-09-15 11:44 am (UTC)I might attempt to rip and upload the deleted scenes in the near future.Re: Molly, Arthur ~needs~ her power to find I think Peter, so he goes to Mohinder and says something about being a family man blah blah so Mo will be thinking of Molly, and reads his thoughts. (Meanwhile Mohinder is like, "wtf is this conversation?") Next thing you know, Arthur's in India creeping up on Molly like a creepy creepster, telling her it's okaaay, he's just going to take her power, don't be afraiiiid. And then they move offscreen and Molly screams the most blood-chilling scream evar. :(
That other Mohinder scene I mentioned takes place in his father's apartment after he's started gathering clues about Coyote Sands. He reflects that in 1961, Chandra would have been in school working on his doctorate. His landlord comes up and gives him more sass about gtfo'ing, but Mohinder asks him what else he knows about Chandra and his work. Cue ~revelashuns~ (they used to share beers, Chandra had nightmares that made him scream at night). When the landlord suggests Mohinder flounce before he drives himself insane much like his dad, rather than take offence or get his bitchy on, Mohinder resolves: "I can't. Not yet."
Ugh, their hard-on for Sylar has never been so ridiculous. Sadly I suspect it isn't about to subside any time soon. In their olden days they'll look back on the show and be e-mailing each other, "You know, I was just thinking we had some nifty characters on Heroes besides Sylar, LOL! Oh well. Bygones! LOL." Meanwhile, my one foolish hope is that, one day, someone half as talented and dedicated to honest storytelling as Ronald D. Moore will give Heroes the same type of treatment he gave the original Battlestar Galactica. Trufax, that would make me weep with joy.
Thank you for the kind words on my video. :) And yeah, Pasdar is a total fox. XD
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Date: 2009-09-15 11:47 am (UTC)LMAO! <3
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Date: 2009-09-16 01:54 am (UTC)(LOL FOREVER AT THE CLIP AT "WHAT ARE YOUR SECRETS?" THE PETRELLI BROTHERS LOVE IS A SECRET BECAUSE THEY HAVE SEX LMAOLMAO)
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Date: 2009-09-17 03:11 pm (UTC)(Haha, I may or may not have voluntarily left that bit up to interpretation. 0:))
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Date: 2009-09-15 02:29 am (UTC)Speaking of deleted scenes, I think I'm going to watch my S3 DVD tonight. I think this 'character development' and 'timeline clarification' is going to have to be seen to be believed.
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Date: 2009-09-15 02:33 am (UTC)Reading over what was omitted make me sad. That Knox story had so much potential, and cutting important character-building dialogue like the Mohinder/Nathan/Tracy scene? UGH. Ugh I say.
Tim Kring just needs to get off Sylar's jock and we'd all be ok, but it's not likely that will be happening soon.
THIS ALL BEING SAID. I'm reaaaaaaally excited for the Carnival stuff omg 8D And Hiro/Ando always have the potential for hilarity and adorableness (FUCK I just remembered Daphne is gone skiajflsdjfkjgfkd whyyyyy cruel world). I hope Tracy gets to kick ass and take names this year.
Also, awesome video bb! *weeps for Naterz*
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Date: 2009-09-15 12:32 pm (UTC)Haha, seriously! I'm still majorly frustrated with the show as well, and not just over the whole Nathan fiasco. One of things that bug me the most is how they trifled with so many powers. The original ones were fine! And also the lame waste of Adam Monroe (I will never get over that, ever.) I'm just waiting for the 2030/2031 remake now, lmao. But I have to watch S4!
I'm excited for the carnie stuff as well, though I think ink girl's "power" is stupid. I'm intrigued enough that I wanna know what's going on. And of course I'm still madly in love with the cast!
Thanks about the vid! :D
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Date: 2009-09-15 07:15 am (UTC)Also reading your deleted scenes recaps I'm all sad and depressed now. :/ I really wanted to like Tracy, and although Nathan was never my favorite character I sure did want his MO to make some effing sense; it's awful to hear the writers did actually manage those things, but it was cut. Even worse than if they'd never written it at all. I tend to blame Kring; he's the one who keeps claiming Heroes is about adrenaline rush! fast-paced storytelling! bang bang bang!!!!!! and forgets that that's not what volume 1 was about. At all.
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Date: 2009-09-15 06:43 am (UTC)Btw, Tracy and HRG are...bedfellows? kjkjkjkjkj!
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Date: 2009-09-15 01:01 pm (UTC)BEDFELLOWS?!? lol, ohlawd. Good luck saving your marriage after that, Noah. XD
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Date: 2009-09-15 07:11 am (UTC)Beautiful video!
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Date: 2009-09-17 02:49 pm (UTC)The Knox backstory was very cool to see, I honestly don't get why they cut it.
And thank you! :D
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Date: 2009-09-15 09:27 am (UTC)and the transitions look good
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Date: 2009-09-17 03:00 pm (UTC)Nathan and Claire have tons of similarities that are hinted at throughout the show, from the way they first approach their powers (thinking they're a freak and wishing they didn't have abilities) to their staking claims to a normal life (end of Vol. 2, "No more running, no more hiding, no more secrets/lies." IT'S THE SAME FREAKING LINE! :D) I am so, so, so very disappointed to know their bond will never more be expanded upon.
LOL, sorry for the novel. Thank you very much again for the kind words. :D
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Date: 2009-09-15 03:18 pm (UTC)And besides: I'm actually really excited for the new season. All that Carnival stuff looks fantastic!
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Date: 2009-09-17 03:06 pm (UTC)The carnival stuff does look good, though. I'm looking forward to the character of Samuel, anyways.
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